Risks, rejection, self worth, and self healing with Miss Amanda Sellers

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It's how you build confidence as well. Because if I'm envisioning a healthier version of myself, but I don't do anything about it, then it's, it's like I'm not getting anywhere then I'm just staying in that down. Like unworthy, like not feeling good about myself place. But if I like part of competence is like doing what you say you're going to do, yes. So if you can just say like, I'm going to move my body, I'm going to get my 10,000 steps in and then do it or I'm not going to, you know, eat that like late night whole pizza, and then you eat your salad. You're just going to build confidence. And if it's not about the weight, at the end of the day, it's about how you feel. Hi, I am Jaclyn Steele, and a welcome to self discovery. Howard Thurman so beautifully wrote, don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive, coming alive. That, my friends, is what self discovery is all about where that man This episode is supported by the voice over school. The voiceover school is an immersive voiceover course that will walk you through everything you need to go from beginner to pro in a matter of weeks. As a voiceover school student, you'll have lifetime access to over 20 video lessons, and an open invitation to be part of their interactive Facebook group to gain further insights and support as you begin your career as a voiceover actor. I personally know the co founder, Amanda, and I'm also part of the voiceover school community. So if you are someone who is interested in doing voiceover work as a profession, or to improve upon what you are already doing, or even to start an awesome side hustle that you can do from home, then this is the course for you. Follow the link in the show notes for details and to view their amazing voiceover school reviews. Now back to the show. Listeners I am I don't even know how to describe how to delighted I am. But today we have on the show. Amanda Sellars, she is a voice over actress. She's a meditation teacher, she's a mama. And she is just a bright light in this world. So I am so honored to have you here on the show. Amanda, thank you so much. I am equally as honored. It is truly just so exciting to to chat with you and to be here. So thank you for having me. Oh, absolutely. I, I want to touch on a little bit how we connected because to me, it was so serendipitous, but I am an avid insight timer. That's an app. for meditation, I use it every single day. And I don't know, maybe a month, month and a half ago, I was searching for a meditation and you came up. And it was one of those energetic shifts that I just immediately felt so drawn to you. And then I did your mission. And it was so beautiful. I was like, I've got to know this woman. And so I reached out to you on Instagram, and you were immediately so responsive. So kind, so welcoming, so inclusive. Just immediately, I was like, I feel such a kindred spirit with this lady. I agree with you. It's interesting, because I get you know, a number of emails, like I'm so grateful for people that take the meditations and it's really taken off, which is so exciting. And just, you know, it just fills my heart. But yeah, then, you know, there have been a few people like that, but definitely you were one of them is like you messaged me, and I'm like, Whoa, this girl who's this girl? And definitely I feel like we're on the same in the same like, energetic wavelength. Yeah, kind of get each other in a way. You know, I totally agree. And I think one of the really happy byproducts of starting a podcast and also being active on Instagram, is some of the friendships that I have created, even with people I haven't actually met in real life. They are so profound and so connective, that when people talk about social media and how it's just a racket and algorithms and blah, blah, blah. I think some of the connections that I have made have just filled and touched my heart so immensely so I want to encourage people to dive deeper into social media rather than just the surface level BS. Absolutely. It's a way to find your tribe. Like my whole life. I always felt like I didn't fit in I always felt like I didn't belong. I grew up in a you know in a place where I just like wanted to leave as soon as I could. So when I was 18, I was like, gone. So this is a way to, you know, expand your community and then find the people that get you. So I do really enjoy it for that, then you don't feel so alone. You feel like okay, I'm not that person understands. Yeah, what I'm going through. And there's such a beautiful, beautiful camaraderie and all of it, too. Yes. Okay, so I have several questions for you. And I'd love to dive in. Yeah. And the first one is this, you are such a radiant soul. And I saw it immediately when I came across your profile on insight timer. I also know from experience that radiance isn't an easy thing to come by. And in my experience, the people that I know that carry and share the most radiance are also the people who have experienced the most often really difficult things. So can you give us a little background on you? And how you came to teach meditation? Yes, absolutely. I agree with you. You know, I feel like I've I've had a really full life. And it's had really exciting cool things, but also some extremely dark traumatic things that have you know, had to overcome. So I feel like, like I grew up in in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which is in the middle of Canada, like Way up north, cold and very, very cold. Yeah, a little five years old, I used to walk to school in the snow, like up to pass my knees by myself. Now, I couldn't imagine my five year old, going to school on his own, like, you're the mom that's just like, dry, everyone's driving their kids to school these days, well, at least where I am now in Vancouver, but I was always like, so independent. And I always had to figure things out on my own. And I feel like I never really had too much guidance. I you know, my parents never like gave me curfews or I didn't have any boundaries, I was really free to do what I want. And it got it started to lead me down a really dark path where I was going into a really bad group of kids and, you know, ended up you know, getting abused in that in a situation in there. And, and my parents could see that my light was starting to dim and them doing the best that they could with what they had at that time, they thought, Okay, well, let's move to a different area. So we moved and thankfully, you know, the bullying and the things and things that I had gone through stopped. And it was weird is in this moment, it was literally like going from grade five to grade six, where I decided I was going to be a different person. And maybe that was like my first insight into realizing that you can change your Wow. So I learned that young Yeah, I decided I wasn't going to be bullied anymore. I was going to like, you know, stand my ground. I was going to be an athlete, I was, you know, gonna go for the things I wanted. And I just shifted my energy when I went into this new school, and it was hard, right, going into grade six, and you're starting to develop and you know, it's just like, yeah, awkward years. But, you know, that was like one of the the pivotal points in my life. But then as I turned 18, I like I said, I wanted to be out of there as soon as I was 18, like, out of that city. So I ended up coming out to Vancouver, and I went to theater school. And I started singing in rock bands. And it was really fun. It was like, that was the funnest, one of the funnest times of my life. I didn't realize it at the time. And if I could go back to tell my younger self, like, enjoy this, this is amazing. Like, you know, you're, you're doing good, but I always felt like I I wasn't where I was supposed to be like I needed more, I had to have a record deal. You know. And, and then I ended up moving to Los Angeles. And another risk I took I ended up getting married to someone after knowing them for like 13 days, like, you know, so you got the good risks with the bad risks, and that wasn't so hot, ended up, you know, getting out of that situation. But then I met my band, my guitar player and drummer, they both went to Harvard Business School. Oh my gosh, so they had their MBAs in business. And they were in the army, the Marines like they bass players in the Navy. So it's just this really interesting group of motivated musicians that I ended up becoming the lead singer of this band, and we toured the US like, I did what you did back then, and I sold all of my stuff, put stuff in, put some stuff in storage, but then we bought a 15 passenger van, and we just like hit the road and literally lived on the road for a couple years because my bandmates knew people all over the US so we would travel and wow yeah, it's just it's just Have a like a lot of life, a lot of life experiences and I ended up becoming a radio DJ, I met my husband who's now my husband now and then I got into voiceovers. Now I'm a voice actor. And then just to like round about the question of how I got into meditation, having children running a busy business, my husband and I were in a really dark place. This was maybe five years ago, I started experiencing massive vertigo and just burnout. It got so bad that my husband actually like had papers signed to move out like he was gonna move into different place for a while just so we could try to get some space because we're so enmeshed because we work together. For seven, yes, so, so my my oldest was going to sleep and he's like, Mom lay down with me on my bed, and my head was spinning, and I couldn't lay down on the bed with him. So I sat at the edge of his bed and to try to help him calm down, because he's not a great sleeper. He just takes a long time to fall asleep, I started to do a gratitude meditation. Like I didn't really even know it was a meditation at the time. I've always had this crazy journey. I've always been, you know, connected to my intuition. Following my heart didn't always like didn't always work out the best when you're an artist. You're like a quintessential artist. Yeah. And I relate to that so much. Yes, yes. So I was giving, doing a gratitude meditation for my son, and it would help him fall asleep. Like I was like, be thankful for your, your body and your body parts. And what are you grateful for? And then my husband, he had downloaded the insight timer app. And he's like, why don't you record that. And so that's how the whole meditation thing started, I recorded it. And then it took me on my own meditation journey. I was starting to meditate every single day and just, you know, went to a silent meditation retreat. And it just, it helped me everything got clearer, life became better. And now it's like, my thing. I love it. Oh, I relate to so much of that, because I think we touched on this briefly, but I'm a musician, too. Yeah. And I have had multiple bands, I had a recording contract, and then it fell apart. You know. So like those dramatic highs and then those super low lows, and all of that to say, I feel like that heartbreak and some of that inconsistency that happens when you are living an artistic life manifests itself physically. For you. It was vertigo. For me, it was Hashimoto. So my thyroid started going crazy. And I was like, depressed and anxious. And I was like, none of this is me what is happening, right? And I think meditation is one of the it's like this, the most gentle invitation to go, Hey, would you like to come back into your body today? Instead of being stuck in your head and feeling out of control? You want to just take a few minutes and connect to this beautiful, deep soul that lies within you and get grounded. And it is absolutely life changing? Yeah, I feel like you could be a good meditation teacher. Oh. Oh, I you know, I thank you for encouraging me in that. I thought about that this morning. Actually, I've never thought about it ever before. But you have inspired me. So I'm going to, I'm going to seriously consider that. I feel like your listeners would love that too. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's definitely something something to consider a gorgeous voice like your voice is so easy to listen to. Wonderful. I was thinking the exact same thing. You know, I think we really are I think we really are. Oh, okay, I'm loving this next question. What are some tangible steps people can take when they are in the thick of their pain and trauma to start the self healing process and I want to get super micro here. Because again, I see this radiance in you. I know that doesn't come from living on the surface that comes from going deep. So what do you think how can people get out of that? The thickness of their pain? Yes, I I would have to say like the first thing is awareness is having the awareness that something is out of balance. Like I I tried to stuff down my pain for so long. And I think one of the main pain points you know, that I didn't address was when I was a teenager. Mental Illness runs in my family and my father left our family with zero warning. Like he just like, walked out the door. And I didn't, I've never seen him again. So that was one of the hardest things that I had to overcome. And during my 20s when I was in rock bands, and you know, go and doing the crazy stuff I alcohol every day, like I was definitely an alcoholic, just, you know, getting in crazy situations, going to parties taking my shirt off, like, no, like, no rules for myself. And it was just all cover up in distraction from the pain, you know, the word going on? Oh, my gosh, Amanda. I know, I just keep saying this. And it sounds like a broken record. But I relate to that so much. My parents got divorced when I was 16. And I have seen my dad since but the relationship has been so strained because of just I'll tell you offline, but just some really traumatic, horrible things that happened. And so I relate to that, like, deep, deep sorrow of. And I think it's so natural. And I don't want to put words in your mouth. But that sorrow of like, a young woman who isn't quite yet a woman who wants that affirmation, like, do you see me? And do you see beyond what I look like and into my heart? And can you affirm that? and not having that? Was it set me on a path for constantly searching for my worth? Yeah, I think that's how I would describe it. I just felt like I was always searching outside of me for something to affirm my worth. And isn't that interesting? How you get to a point where you realize it, like, you realize what you've been stuffing down and then oh, it's not all the material things, it's not the success, it's not the you know, acknowledgments like nothing is nothing on the outside of you is going to bring that inner peace if you cannot create it for yourself, which is, you know, so inspiring that you, you know, sold your house and moved into an RV because you know, and and adopting the minimalism lifestyle, because it's just, it makes sense. So, so awareness. Yeah, something is off. And, and then, you know, just being grateful for what you do have. And just feeling like, I wake up in the morning, and I say like I, I say thank you, like, I look around, and I'm just like, thank you, thank you, thank you like this, this life is a blessing and realizing that people on the outside that have hurt you. It's nothing to do with you. It's all about them. And that's one thing I've really tried to think about when I think about my dad is that, you know, he did the best he could with what he had he he wasn't loved by his dad or he didn't feel loved or there was something there. So it's having the awareness that you can break the pattern, especially, you know, now that I'm a mom, and we have kids. And it's, it's, it's hard because you almost overcompensate, you know, now I'm just like a helicopter parent, and like, you want to do everything perfect, but does that backfire. So it's just like this whole new balance of like, trying to figure it out. But every day just, you know, doing the things that you know, are going to make you feel better, whether that's the yoga or the meditation, or the journaling. And some people aren't as deep as we are with that kind of self discovery and healing. So just start where you are, if it's literally just going for a run, or you know, having someone to talk to makes you feel better. Some people just want to get on the phone and chat with someone, and then they just feel a little bit lighter at the end of it. But it's it's a journey. I always felt like there was going to be an end. You know? Yes, yes. Yes. It's it's just realizing that this is life, and it's unfolding and you know, new moments emerge, and just really, I really try every day to like, step into my higher self step into the greater version of me the fullest expression, the one that I know can handle anything, and that isn't as affected by the traumas. So I don't know if that's micro enough, but Well, no, I think it is, I think, you know, by listening to the inkling of your heart in that moment, in that deep pain, is it to call a friend is it to go for a walk is it to go to a bookstore, and just Go to the first book that you're drawn to, is it to have a hot drink and sit outside or go take your dog for a walk, whatever it is, I think people want these big solutions to their big problems. But I don't know that there are big solutions. I think the big solutions come in the form of multiple tiny solutions. And I want to get micro with that in this, which is actually kind of a macro concept. years ago, I was living in Northern California. And I was having a conversation with this guy who's done a bunch of spiritual work. And he was like, Jaclyn, you want growth to be linear. Growth is not linear, it's cyclical. And every round that you do, you get better, but you end up revisiting the pains, or revisiting the issues that you have. It's just hopefully, if you're growing to a lesser and lesser, lesser extent. And that made so much sense to me. And it also took the pressure off like, Okay, I have the information. Now, I should be armed. I'm never going to experience this pain again. Yeah, that's not realistic. I think a more realistic approaches. I have the information. Hopefully, I have the tools. And when I come up against this situation, again, hopefully I can address it better and in a healthier way than I did the last time. Yes, absolutely. And making yourself a priority. Like, last night, we were all hanging out as a family. And I was like, you know, it really makes me feel better right now is a bath. And, you know, I was like, do you guys mind if I have a bath, and it's kind of unlike me, like I am the go, go go the busy, busy. But I am really trying to be aware that that is just a cover up to the buisiness. Right? It's just trying to fill, fill, fill, fill. And if I am the creator of my life, I am creating, I'm creating my own schedule, I'm creating these opportunities I'm creating, so I can also, you know, take it take away and give myself that back. Yeah, so it's just when you are a creator, like you are being and like I am, too, I think it is so vital that we do what we can to pour back into ourselves. Because I think the tendency, for me at least, is to want to pour into everybody else. I feel like I have so much love and it's just intrinsic, I have so much love in me that I want to touch each and every person, I want to like look into the eyes of everybody that I'm talking to, and sit there and be totally present. And I love that about me. But also, if I'm not careful, at the end of the day, I'm so burnt out that, you know, eight hours of sleep isn't enough for me to then feel recharged again. So I think having the awareness to say I'm going to go take the bath or I'm going to go eat my favorite meal or go on a walk or whatever it is. Yeah, it's not only like self care, it's like a necessity. Absolutely. Because and that's how you fill your creative tank as well. If you're always giving and giving and talking and you know, helping and, you know, where's the creative downloads gonna come where, you know, where's that energy going to come that needs to be there in order to like, make your next expression or your next thing. So and I know that about myself, like I wrote a course on insight timer, and it was me a weekend away in a hotel. If If I have time, like my I can create like if you know my dream one day is to get a book deal and write a book and I can't wait for that day, I will be the first one signing up to your brothers. So sweet. Well, thank you, but I know I could write it right now it's I've written like half of it. But then you know, I kind of hit hit a wall because I didn't put the time in. But I know if I'm given that time, then those downloads can be there. So that's like really good advice. Even for someone who doesn't feel like they're creative is to give themselves that time. Like, you know how they say like, have you read Julie Cameron? way? Yes, it's one of my favorite books of all time. Yeah, it's so wonderful. Like, go to an art gallery. Take yourself to a park like go look at some flowers, you know, do something on your own that you normally wouldn't do get those creative juices flowing and, and take the time for yourself. It's, it's absolutely essential, absolutely essential. Okay, next question. You are someone who has really followed your dreams and taken risks. And I'm a dream follower too. But I'm also obsessed with this idea of the in between and what I mean by that is that place between realizing what your dream is and actually making it happen. Can you speak on what it feels like in the moment To take a risk, and how you feel afterward, and then maybe share a story or a significant memory of taking a risk. And what happened after? Yeah, absolutely. So I feel like the in between it feels like what we talked about before we hit record, which was like that you're bumping up against something. And like, you know, you're ascending, there's something trying to emerge, things aren't feeling in alignment, and it's, it's an uncomfortable feeling, but curious. So it's like, well, what if it's that feeling of what if, and it's hard having, having big ideas, having big dreams, having goals, it's like, you know, the the caterpillar going into the butterfly, you're like, in that cocoon stage, it's like, it hurts, right? Like, it's like, oh, like, and you're like, this is the unknown. So you're stepping into this unknown territory, which was something that you did, which was so brave, like, you're never going to regret the choice that you made to sell your house and go into an RV. This, this ties in with a workshop that I recently took on time, if I can interject here on this horse, like, okay, so there's a neuroscientist, he was an Olympic athlete who was a medalist for speed skating, and he became obsessed with time, and how to slow down time as we get older. So he says, like, you know, when you're eight years old, and your summers last forever, when you're a kid, like it just was, like, so slow, right? Yes. He says that, and then we get older time speeds up from like, you know, 3040 and, and on to the end of life. So he had this graph and the graph like, tripped me out. I am not midlife right now. If I don't start to take chances and and slow down time. It's like the trajectory of your mid life to end goes way faster. Then from you know, zero to say, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's what everybody says. Yeah. his, his whole life purpose is like figuring out how to slow that that portion down from midlife to the end. And his, his number one thing was, if you have a chance to make a story, you have to do it. Like you, you have to take risks, you have to do the thing that you know will bring you joy, you you cannot stay in a routine, you can't stay in your habitual patterns, you know that throughout your whole life, because then it's just gonna zip by but it's nothing new. It's that is so profound, isn't it? It makes so much sense. Yes. And I love that saying of you have to make a story. You have to create a story, because it's so true. If you do get caught up in a routine day in and day out, you don't even remember what day it is, if you're just doing the same thing all the time. Yeah, exactly. And, and even even, you know, year to year, or he really suggested to like visiting new places. Or say you were to drive five hours to go see someone for one hour, and drive five hours back that one hour would have been worth it. Because you're never going to remember the five hours but the memory that you created with that person in one hour will stick with you for a lifetime. Remember that time we drove out like, so. It's all and that actually slows down time. Because time is, you know, it's a perception, right? Yes, and of time, and I don't understand all that craziness of it. But it's like, the more memories you can make, the more you can get out of your comfort zone, the more stories you can make. If you're going to learn something, don't just learn it, teach it if you're gonna, you know. Just perform it if you're gonna learn a new instrument, perform it just get into it. Yeah, doing the get into it. Yeah, so I Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, that that's, uh, you know, and, and that's, they also say, just to round this out, and I can get into a couple of examples, but stage fright, and stage presence is the exact same thing. It's just the energy that you put behind us. Yo. So yeah, it's like time to make memories. And, yeah, let you share. And then I'll give you a couple example, some of the crazy risks I've taken. Yeah, and I definitely want to hear those because I feel like people relate to stories so much. A couple things that came into mind. I relate to the stage fright, versus stage presence sort of thing. Yeah. Um, and I'm sure people have asked you the same thing like how do you not freak out before you get on stage and you get up in front of a crowd and I think it's all perspective. You can use that energy and lead overwhelm you. Or you can use that energy and go, I'm alive. I'm here. I'm going to use it. I'm going to share it with the crowd, and I'm going to get excited about it. Other thing that came to mind was I just read Matthew McConaughey his book, green lights. Oh, and it's like Matthew McConaughey. Yeah, it is. So him through and through, you can tell that he wrote it, because it's written in like bumper stickers the way that he he. But there's some really profound wisdom in it. And he said, after his dad died, he had this realization that he had to be less impressed, and more involved. And I loved that because I have a tendency as a creative person to be excitable to see something to get excited to have all of these ideas and dreams and blah, blah, blah. And that saying, for me, went, hey, it's okay to be excitable, it's okay to have dreams. It's okay to have ideas. But get involved. Just like you said, if you're going to pick up an instrument, like, learn it, like really learn it, try it, perform it, get involved. So I love that. Yeah, I'm gonna have to check out that book. It sounds fantastic. I was, I mean, I thought it was gonna be good. But it was far better than I even anticipated. So I highly recommend. Cool. Do you find yourself reading a lot more now that you're in the RV life? That's a good question. I don't know if I read more. Because I've always been a pretty avid reader. Okay, I would say I'm less. I'm probably less distracted, because I don't have as much to take care of. Yeah, probably Yes. Wow, that must feel good. Like to not have the weight of all that. It does. Yeah, it really does. Like, there's something really nice about having a house and Sam and I will have one again at some point. But there's just something beautiful, like that course that you took about stopping time. There's something beautiful about changing up your life, from the inside out and kind of toppling it on itself, that makes you see things differently, and focus more acutely on what's important. Yeah. And you're more layers, like more layers to your life and who you are and what people have. Yes. And that's yet exactly. And that's another thing, I think you realize, okay, well, I was able to get rid of the house, get rid of all the extra junk and most of my belongings, what can I do now? You know, and and I think it's so important. And this is something that I've touched on before when it comes to self worth and self confidence, which are things that are so vital for us to push the needle forward and to be successful in our own lives and meet our own potential. But we don't necessarily just wake up with self confidence or self worth one day, I think it's a series of small events, where we take a risk, or we do something that we wouldn't normally do. And we experience success with it, or we come up against a wall, but we push past it. And it's all those little things that helped to build our self worth and our self confidence. Yeah. And, you know, we have the voice over School, which is yes, so my husband and I created Thank you so much, but that that goes with our students to like one of our students, she was doing really well. And she was starting to book jobs, and she's got an amazing voice so much potential, but she never, she was so scared of doing a directed session with clients where they're directing you. And you know, just encouraging her like, you got to do it, you have to get that under your belt if you want to progress. And then when the next situation comes, you're just going to be more ready for it. And you know, the harder the situations come when you've got 10 people listening in from all over the world which I've had with you know, people speaking different languages you Wow, you know, it's, it gets crazy, right? But it's like, you got to keep getting those notches in your tool belt in order to expand and grow and, you know, step into it now and she's rocking it now like she got through it and that's awesome. I'm really I'm really proud of her but well you've created such a community in your voiceover school till Yeah, it's it's been really you know, I don't like I never considered myself a teacher because I'm just kind of in my own world I'm not my husband is a wonderful teacher like he's so good at that explaining things and coming up with things and to me you know, being the the crazy, free spirit. I am just good at being where I am and explaining what I know. Like I'm not It was so it was hard to create the school like it was a very challenging year for us like it took about a year. Yeah, now that it's it's creative. And people are learning and growing from it now it's, yeah, we have a supportive community, I would I do not, you know, I don't stand for putting people down or like there's a lot of voiceover groups out there that have a lot of negativity in them. And, you know, the catcalling. And the things where they get on it. Yeah. It's so unnecessary. Yes. So unnecessary. It's like, do you how do you have time for that, like, people will sit there and talk about like, rates, you know, and this job having this bad rate? And how dare that person post that and it's like, I'm too busy earning money in my booth to be worried about what that was, you know, so our, our community, and I think our community has gotten that from us. Like, they kind of know that we don't really want that shirt, like have opinions, like, everyone's got opinions, so bring them on, but not the negativity that won't lose it. Like, there's just such a difference between constructive criticism to like lift somebody up or help them over the hump of like, doubt. There's a difference between that which is helpful and criticism just to be critical, like this ladder stuff, credit, critical just to be critical. I have no room for that in my life. You know, like Rene Brown says, and Teddy Roosevelt says, if you're not in the arena getting bloody with me, I don't need your opinion. And I'm like, I mean that so sincerely, if you're going to come at me with opinions, and you're not trying to do any of the things that I'm doing, like, I wish you light and love and peace, but I'm not going to take it seriously going. For sure. I'm sure you've had backlash from going in an RV like people yeah, thinking that it's crazy and why, you know, why would you do that? Like, yeah, it's so that's great, like, absolutely taking it. I love that. So, one thing that ties in with one of the risks that I have recently taken. 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But this was one that has really came to fruition and it's paid off in in a really awesome way was you're from Georgia. So do you know Jesse Itzler? He don't think I do. So he's an entrepreneur. He's married to Sara Blakely, the founder of space. Yes. Okay. I know exactly who that is then Okay. Yes. Cool. So, um, so I follow him on Instagram and he was create he's create creating a radio station. So this was a new module. He was creating a radio station and he somehow I messaged him like, I don't know, I can't remember exactly how it happened, but I know Instagram messaged him that I'm a voice actor if he needs any promos for his radio station. Just putting yourself out there, right? Yes, yes, yes. And so he checked out my page. He's like, yeah, send me your demo. And he gave me his email. So like now I've got like Jessie, it slurs personal email, and I'm going to send him my demo. I sent him my demo. And as he was listening to it, Sara Blakely happened to be there. And so both of them were listening to my demo. And so not only did I hired to do promos for his station, Sara Blakely has a project that I'm going to be working on with her. Then so and then it gets even crazier. The the radio station is up and on its way now it's bi LR radio, it's an app you can download. It's going, it's awesome. Because I did that session, I worked with his team during the session. So I was working with, you know, Jesse's Jesse's teammate, like his, his team on the station. And so we started following each other and Instagram, right, like, get to know each other. So that one of the program director, ders, he's seen my posts all about meditations, like, you know, meditation teacher. And then now just like two weeks ago, they asked me to join the morning show on the station. And I'm leading live meditations. It's just okay, we're definitely going to link that in the show notes thing so that we can promote the heck out of that, because that is incredible. Yeah, so thank you. Oh, my gosh, Amanda, that is so cool. Thank you so much. Like I have one of the things I wanted to add, though, was when I sent him my demo, I didn't just send him my regular demo, I hired a radio imaging expert. And I created imaging, what I thought would be good for his station. So if you learn and be more, be while a radio, we're gonna podcast this, this, this and more. And so I took those words, and I made it into a custom demo. And it's interesting, because I've seen Jesse talk on stage, like Jesse started a private jet company, where they had like, hundreds and hundreds of private jets, and he ended up selling it to Warren Buffett. And then he learned moly, like, they're, you know, they've been so successful. He started Zico, coconut water, and then sold it to Coca Cola. So like, they're doing well, yet. He was talking about and then I saw him do a speech on stage about how when he was writing songs for NBA teams, like he used to write jingles for them. So cool. He would like he's like, I only got$4,000. For the first song I wrote for things like the New York nets or something, I got$4,000 for this. And people thought it was crazy. And it wasn't worth it. Because the studio cost me 10,000. And he's like, What are you talking about? I would have paid $10,000 for that opportunity. Right? So yes, yes, I'm seeing that like in voiceovers in creating a business in you know, trying to set yourself apart. Like, sometimes you have to invest in something that you normally wouldn't. And that's something that I've always been so passionate about is like, I'll do things for free. Sometimes I'll you know, oh, I'm like, Oh, go the extra mile. Yeah, I'll hire someone and be out, you know, $100 to make this cool demo that now has created all these opportunities. And a lot of like, I've come across a lot of people that don't see that way. And they have these rate cards, and they sit by their rate cards. And you know, nothing can veer off that and I need to be paid upfront, or I won't do it. Like it's just like, Yeah, what the flow? Yeah, I'm so glad that you brought that up. First of all, congratulations. Thank you. I'm so pumped for you. Thank you. Second of all, that's such a testament to putting yourself out there and not just putting yourself out there and going, Hey, here this is but being smart and strategic about it. Because in the in reality, the worst thing that can happen is he doesn't respond to that message. says no, I'm not interested. It's not like our lives are going to fall apart, or anything crazy is going to happen. You know, it's just a rejection, which in life, rejection is part of it. So absolutely. Why don't you just get comfortable with it? Yeah, I had another situation where it was kind of similar to that and our foot was in the door and we were working together and I ended up paying$400 for this custom demo that I made these people And then they just got so busy and I've never heard from them again. You know, no matter how many times it reached out, it's just that opportunity was gone. And that's okay. Like, it's just that's that's how I like to jive. It's just like, Okay, see if something will stick or in it, but it's actually not inspired thought as well. Yes. intuitions. Yes. acting on inspired thought, Okay. That is such a nugget that needs to be drawn out from this. Because when you act on inspired thought, there's a reason it's inspired in the first place. And to me, I would call it a divine thing. That's like God speaking to me. And if I don't follow through on that, that's like me handing it right back to God going, I'm not interested. Yeah. Another thing I wanted to touch on was rate cards. I think I am the same way, where I think there's an element of how would I describe this humility that is required. When you are trying to do big things? I think so often, we see these people that are brave and bold and confident, and that's wonderful. But I think there's something really beautiful about being humble to and understanding. Yes, I have talent. Yes, I have self worth, yes, I have a lot to offer. But I'm also one person in a sea of many. So I'm not going to approach this opportunity as somebody who deserves millions of dollars, gimme, gimme, gimme, I'm going to approach this opportunity, like a child would, and be excited about it, and be strategic about it and be smart and hire that, you know, radio thing to make it really super professional. But at the same time approach it with such humility, and with a loose grip. Um, I think that is also so important. Like, would it be awesome to have this opportunity? How, yeah, will I survive without it? Hell, yeah. Yeah. And both are okay. Yeah. And it's all learning experiences. And it's all like, you just yeah, you just never know, right? And it's just a different kind of marketing as well. Like, it's a different aspect of, of connecting. And Mm hmm. And I try to teach our students that too, is thinking outside the box. And, and a lot of them have done that lately, as well, they'll, they'll make up their own commercials to a video or, you know, someone has a relative that owns a restaurant that do the voiceover for that restaurant, like just yeah, it's like, marketing, instead of traditional or digital marketing. It's intuitive, and I love that that really resonates. Yeah. So so you know, on the spectrum of risks, like that's one risk that I recently took, and then, you know, another risk that we don't have to get into details, but just like being in an abusive relationship, and getting out, you know, just the freedom of that. But you talk about that hard part when you're in the middle of something that you feel so stuck, but you're trying to get out. That's that was a situation where I read it was really, really hard. But I prevailed, and I got out and then it's just like, okay, now me again, whoo. Yeah, the other side, there's so much fear when you're on the cusp of a decision. But when it comes to self preservation, or doing things that could put us in a better position, when do we ever actually regret that decision? I know I never have. Yeah, ever. Yeah. And like, you know, being an empath. It's like, I just wish that for everyone. You know, it's like anyone who's feeling stuck like that. I just, you know, my heart goes out to them. And I just, I want them to do it to know they can do it and get out. That'll that'll be like my, you know, more of my mission work as I get older is just helping people. I mean, right now, it's just still in the, in the phase of figuring out where I am and getting on my feet. Almost. But yeah, the incubation Yeah, exactly. But I could definitely see myself helping out in that way. And I can see you being a force in that arena. And if I can help you in any way, or help spread that message, let me know. Thank you. Oh, absolutely. Okay, next question. Healing, nurturing and empowering self worth is something I really focus on in this podcast of it. Can you describe a memory you have of a time when you were really struggling with self worth and what you did to get out of that place and empower yourself? Yeah, absolutely. I can explain something. thing after kids, I gained a lot of weight. And I went, like, you know, just talk about trauma, like I have had enough, but I also had major birth trauma with both of my kids. And like, that's another story another podcast, you know, it's, it's crazy, but I had horrible experiences with the birth of my children and even even now, like, you know, birth it's such a beautiful, miraculous event but it's hard for me even to see someone posts like a waterbirth picture online or hosting like a newborn. Anything like that is just like I just triggered it's still triggered. So I'm still healing from that but so that took me down into a part where I was really unhealthy and that this was kind of goes along with the vertigo and like, it was all this package of unhappiness and feeling unworthy. My job was going well, like my I was invisible to the world. But my voiceover career was amazing because it's I'm in my booth. I don't talk to anyone like I just do my job I talk to my clients online through email, but I felt so invisible. I felt like there was more more to give more life to be lived and I was so proud of myself because I got myself out. Also, alcohol was like a big factor too, right? drinking a lot not wanting to to go down that path. In the self perpetuating cycle, like I really feel for people when they're in that cycle, because you know, you wake up, you're like, Okay, today is the day I'm going to do it. Whatever, it's Monday and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna make it happen today. I got to do this and then you hit a block or have like an emotional thing happen that you feel frustrated by or that and then it's like, no, now you've got you need those comfort things to Yeah, just to cope. Yeah, and fill that hole. Like I've heard Tara Brock say like, the hole in your soul. Right? And a lot of people yeah, oceans and yes, but so overcoming that and finding that self worth it. It really did start with the meditation and holding myself accountable. I ended up joining a program where it was an accountability program Teddy ballon camps accountability program. Yes. Yeah. heard of it. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So I took her program and it really did change my life and get me back into a spot where I now I feel like myself again. So no, is breaking free from that. It just it feels impossible at the time. And I have before and after pictures. And you know, quarantine? Yeah, I gained a few pounds that I'm working on. We all right, yes. Definitely not out to that really a lot. And I relate to that. I relate to that so much last summer, before I was diagnosed with hashimotos it was right as quarantine was starting. I like I felt like I woke up. I was like, a certain weight this day. And then that next day, I was like 15 pounds heavier. And it did a number on me mentally you just feel like wait a second what just happened? And come to find out you know, it was Hashimoto is also in quarantine, I didn't move enough. But it especially with women, our bodies are so tied into our self worth. This is a difficult subject to talk about. Because you I want to encourage people to be healthy and to move and to eat well. And I understand that how we look affects our self confidence. But also, I think it all starts inside before it ever is something that is physically manifested. I think if we want to look good on the outside, like truly look good. We also have to do that stuff inside that is going to motivate us but also allow us to feel worthy enough to expand into that healthier, more vibrant, whatever it is physical version of ourselves. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And it's, it's, it's how you build confidence as well. Because if I'm envisioning a healthier version of myself, but I don't do anything about it, then it's it's like I'm not getting anywhere then I'm just laying in that down. Like unworthy, like not feeling good about myself place. But if I like part of competence is like doing what you say you're going to Yes. So if you can just say like I'm going to move my body I'm going to get my 10,000 steps in and then do it or I'm not going to you know, eat that like late night whole pizza and then you eat your Solid if you're just going to build confidence, and it's, it's not about the weight, at the end of the day, it's about how you feel. So if you can feel good shape post online about it was Aubrey Marcus, I believe and it was about like how they did this study, and I don't know how like relevant this study is, but it was on inmates and how so more of them or they put them on a healthy diet and they were like, way, way, way less likely to recommit a crime. It had to do with like, nutrition and their actions. So and I believe it like with depression, and even even how you feel at night when you're, you know, you like, because like, trust me, like, I've had nights where I'll have like a vegan pizza and like, then popcorn and some chocolate and you're watching TV, and then you just you can feel it. You know, you feel there's just a shift. Yeah, yeah, there's a shift. Mm hmm. Yeah, man, there's such an energy in what we eat. And I feel like that's a separate podcast, I'm going to have to have you back on the podcast. But there is such an energy in how we treat ourselves. If we treat ourselves with respect and kindness, and gumption enough to say, Okay, I'm going to eat well today. And I'm going to move it translates into our mental health and into other in and into our physical health. I mean, I feel like that's so obvious yet. It's easy to get stuck in that place of feeling disempowered in your own skin. So thank you for sharing that. Yeah, absolutely. And just realizing that both is hard. Right. Like, yeah, it's hard to feel like that. And it's hard to always make the right choices, just like marriage is hard. And divorce is hard. It's, you know, it's like everything has its challenges. And its positive parts. So well. And I, that reminds me of something you said earlier in the podcast, where you're talking about taking risks and being on the verge of risks, and it is hard. And I think we need to normalize that life is hard sometimes. And I think the millennial generation has, in some way skewed the way that life is supposed to be into kind of an all inclusive, light, energetic, vibrant bubble. But that's not reality, we can work toward that reality. But getting there is not necessarily an easy feat, you know, like selling our house and buying an RV and getting rid of all of our stuff and leaving Georgia. There were so many roadblocks along the way. But there was also like, a pot of gold under each roadblock because of the lessons that we learned because of the roadblock. Yeah, you know, and so I think it's so important to lean into the obstacles instead of shying away or running away from them, leaning into them and going okay, what can I learn in this space? And if it's having to do with your weight, or how you're feeling in your own body? One of the things that I really tried to lean into when I experienced that weight gain was like, how can I love myself right now, at this size, even though this isn't the ideal size that I have envisioned? How can I love myself as best as I can right now and stop this horrendous tape that I'm playing in my head of negative thoughts? Yes, yes. And that made such a giant difference. And then, when I was able to go to the doctor and get my diagnosis, I feel like it was easier to lose the weight, because I was primed mentally to be like, this isn't that big of a deal? Because I am not what I look like, right? Yeah. So did are you into Medical Medium at all? Yes. Yeah. Yes. That's so cool. That's I mean, to me, that's, I resonate with that 100% if there is a way to, to live, I really, really think Medical Medium is like tapped in. But it's for me too. It's It's hard. It's hard for me to always eat like that, you know, always be drinking the celery juice or like I commend the people that are on those healing journeys and make can make the really really good choices all the time. I feel that I still battle like, oh, same here, you know, same here, and I think we're human and I think something that I take a lot of comfort in is like just do your best. Yeah, like we need to have self discipline but also sometimes we need to have the frickin brownie like sometimes I just I just want that so bad and It's okay. And if it's not all the time, it doesn't matter. It's not going to show up. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm just I'm such a firm believer and like, doing your best, but also giving yourself immense amounts of grace and sense amounts of grace. Because we so rarely do that. Especially if we are, I feel like artistic people are super hard on themselves. I'm also a perfectionist. I'm driven. I'm ambitious. I'm all those things. And that grace piece. Yeah, everything. That's what allows me to get through my day with a smile on my face and not like, you should have gotten up earlier, you should have done this, you should have done this. You know, it is that grace? Is that grace that is just so transformative. Can I can I ask you one question before you ask me? Oh, quietly by living in the RV? Does it feel lighter? Like to not have the bulk of a house? And you know, all the bills? And I don't know, just does it feel more free? Yes, yes. But interestingly, it's not for me, it wasn't about the things. And it wasn't about the bills, because RV living actually is slightly more expensive than we anticipated, which is totally fine. Totally fine. And I can do a podcast episode on that sometime too. But it's the mindset. It's the mindset of I have chosen this life that I'm creating. I'm literally creating it because I don't have all of these things around me. And I really should like journal on this more, because it has been so profound. But leaving where we were tied down, and I've lived in a lot of places all over the country. So I am nomadic. At heart, you're like me? Yeah. Oh, we are so cut from the same cloth? Yes. Oh, cut from the same cloth. But that push, you know, I'm 34 now. And that push of like, I can still at any age, create a new reality? Wow, I think that has been the most profound thing. That's incredible. It I mean, it's so empowering to feel like you have the choice. And we all do. But when we are caught up in the comforts of our homes, the routines, the consistency, you know, having family around, which is a wonderful thing. But you take that away, and you strip back to like who you really are at your essence. There's something so profound about that, and empowering. Because again, you can go back to basics and go, where do I want to go from here? And what do I really want to do? And I found that as we left Georgia, I felt a weight lifted off of my shoulders, and then professionally, over the last four, four and a half months that we've been doing this, I've gotten more done, than I have in the last couple of years. And I think it's because I have felt that sense of the world being my oyster. And I don't you know, I don't think people have to sell their house and buy an RV to have that feeling. But I think to have that feeling you do have to get out of your routine and your comfort zone. You're just like, speaking to the choir here. Well, I got it to you have done it. I have done it. And but it's been a long time. So you know, maybe it's time. And if you're feeling like it is then it probably is wow. Yeah, just because it just truly resonates. Honestly, that like workshop with that Jhansi coil it it triggered something inside of me like things. Things were lining up like, oh, the thing I didn't tell you about him or did I tell you? He read he recently, six months ago, sold his house and all of his belongings and he lives in an RV. That was the piece I meant to tell you. That's why it was so crazy. Yeah, cuz we were on this call. So the call that I was on, it's with Jesse Itzler and it's called 30 days of excellence and it's a group that meets every like every Wednesday night we meet and Jesse brings in like he brought in like Wim Hof Jim quick like you know, he has content x, slowly, it's so incredible. It is it's only $60 a month and the value you get. It's really inspiring. So, so anyway, we should link that too. So I'll get with you after this and ask you for all those links because I definitely Yeah. Oh, you got it. You got it. It's really good. So he came on and and that was when he did his presentation. And then he kind of ended it with like, yeah, and like, you know, to keep time moving slow. We recently like I sold out his house and he had like, a huge house, like, you know, beautiful I saw on his Instagram, and now he lives in an RV and I'm, I think he's like in Utah right now. But he travels around. He's definitely was in Sedona. You guys are in Sedona? Right? Yeah. So yeah. Just one of the guys. How cool. How cool. is full circle moments in this conversation? Yeah. Okay. Next question is what are you working on? Now? Maybe one thing professionally. And one thing personally, if you're comfortable sharing? Yeah, for sure. So you know, personally, it would just be that I'm going to try to explore this next adventure this feeling of what is it trying to emerge within right now because I have seen like my eight year old son he's normally so full of life and he is in his moments in his pockets at home when he's playing and it's like, you know, the regular back like his name is back. So the regular love that name. Love it, though. Thank you. But at school this year, even his teachers and we talked to the counselor yesterday, like he hasn't been himself and I think the I think quarantine like the you know, the pods that they put them in they can't just like play a board game they have to take recess is separate and they're in these different areas. And you can't touch this I think that's really drawn in his like, his Spark, like it just feels a little bit kind of deducting the creativity away from everything. Yeah. And at his essence it he's just this creative being right and, and he hasn't resonated with the kids in his class this year, his best friend Louise, who he's just like, you know, connected. There's just so cute together, they still do zoom calls. But she has been homeschooling all year, so he hasn't been able to see her. So we're just like in this kind of in this phase now. And I've just look around and we don't we don't get along, like not that we don't get along. But we don't talk to our neighbors, like our neighbors are just all in their own worlds. And no one's there's just no sense of like community really. So yeah, we're just really trying to figure out if this what the next thing is. And we do have a place in Palm Springs, it's a little vacation. So got that we got a few years back maybe four years ago now. And because you know, my husband and I work remotely like we can, you know, do things from anywhere. So this place is is wonderful, and how cool it'd be to just pack up and then go to Palm Springs for a year. Yeah. So yes, if that would happen. But that's like, personally, I'm just, we're just we're just figuring it out. Yeah, you're exploring. Yeah. So and then I would say professionally, I've really been jiving with the voice over school and just supporting new emerging voice talent in their careers. It's been really rewarding and, and you're so good at it. I feel like it's like a fish in water for you. Thank you. I've seen your Facebook group and the camaraderie in there. It's just so beautiful. You've created Well, thank you. The cool thing is like I've been doing this for 13 years, I there's no question that I wouldn't know the answer to like, I, I am I know my experience, I can speak from my experience. It might not be what this teacher you know, has gone through but literally like we just we've created this program to teach people like step by step what we did in order to like grow like a multi six figure business working from home. And and it's been so cool. It's it's phenomenal. Like, I don't really have like, knock on wood and thank you universe, but I don't I don't have to search for work like I am. I'm so busy with voiceover work. It's almost like how can I pare it down, like raising my rates. And I've been this has been a really fun part is passing over some of my work to students. Like if a big project comes along, you know, I just would rather be with my kids that weekend and try to get this done. It's or whatever it is, like, Oh, I think this person would be a good fit. Mike and I are really excited to help them with opportunities, but then to see them like, literally lives changed, like people are doing exactly what we've done. They're just, they're just crushing it. So I just want to keep showing up and you know, not ignoring my the space that I need for myself and stuff like that, but just keep showing up with the money. Have a group and then continuing with my meditation practice and sharing it and then see where that goes as well. We're just empowering people in so many areas. Well, thank you. Oh, it's beautiful to see. Well, it's interesting, because I don't feel like it was intentional. It was just me following my path, learning the hard lessons and learning and now I can just speak from experience. Truly, I feel like that's what this, this whole thing has come about from is just, oh, yeah, I've been there. Okay. Yeah, I know that that situation, you know, oh, that kind of trauma. Yeah, I've had that too. So just really just being like a bucket of experience. Yeah. And collecting those experiences and slowing down time in the process. What is where can people find your voiceover school? Is there a link? I'll link it in the show notes, too. But I want it to be audible as well. Sure, absolutely. It's the voiceover school.com. So pretty memorable. And if you're on Facebook, our group is a public group. So if you're just curious even to see what we're all about, you can join the Facebook group and ask questions like, wow, the community is so supportive if there's not a question that wouldn't be answered, like we. And it's cool, like, I don't even have to answer it anymore, which is really nice. It's like, all the people that have taken the course and that are now full time voice actors. They're just like, like, they get in there and really support and help, which is really cool to see, oh, you're just so I have to say this to You're so professional, and your talent is so obvious, but you're also so welcoming. I feel like often when it comes to artistic fields, and something like voiceover work, where you're using your voice, which is an intimate thing. Um, it can be intimidating. And I think a lot of teachers, at least in my experience, use that to their advantage to be intimidating to like, try and be scary to weed out some of the people that might be a little bit more timid. But you are, it's so obvious, you know what you're doing. But you're also just, it seems like you have so much fun with it. And it's welcoming. And I love that it's such a different approach to so many other artistic programs that I've been a part of. Thank you. I think it just comes down to like, feeling confident in what you've created, I feel when I first started and this was this is something that lights my fire into teaching new up and coming artists. When I first started my career, I I didn't have any money. My husband and I were major debt. We like literally, like had beer nachos one night, and we're like, let's do it. Let's buy a microphone. So we're like, kind of intoxicated, we went like bought them. Zero idea what we were doing zero. And so I started finding success. Like just you know, with the online voiceover world, we started working together and I was recording to my closet, like I had like the clothes around my microphone. And I started booking work and then it just kind of started snowballing and I was just loving it. Like I didn't do it for the money. I was doing it because I loved it. And so gathered a bit of money and so I'm like well I want to do coaching because I want to like get to the next level and train with the coach and I remember this coach was like$400 and I'm like okay, I'm gonna do it. I know it's an investment I got to do it. And I went to her and she was a good coach like I learned but she also was like trying to keep me in my place and she didn't know that I was full time. Like I was pretty much full time like already and she told me that like I'm not demo ready yet do not record a demo whatever you do, you need more training before you're cutting them off. And I remember I did an IVR phone system and and I played it for her and she was like oh is this this was like the old trend way of doing it I guess they still I don't know why they would want that way to do it. Like just she just kept trying to like show me so imagine if I would have listened to her and then like oh, I'm not demo ready yet or you know I didn't tell her that I was pretty much full time but say someone wasn't full time they went to a coach that told them that and then they just you know you go down all these other paths like honestly like our course hurtful. Yes. And I love our course because it just like it cuts out the crap it's like yeah, yes, it's hard work. Yes, yeah. To be dedicated and you know, it's going to take time and persistence but it is possible and anyone can do it if you really truly want it so Oh, I love that so much. I feel like I'm I'm reading this book right now by ROM das called be here now. You got it. Yeah, well, I think we have it but I don't know if I read it My husband has I feel like it's one of those books where you have to be in a certain mindset to fully absorb it. But I've been reading it. And it talks about how the best teachers and the most wise enlightened souls. They're just there to be a reflection of your own inner wise person. They're not there to correct you and tell you everything that you're doing wrong. They're there to go. Let's just talk. Let's dive in. Look how beautiful you are. Look how radiant you are. Let's bring that to the forefront. They're not there to break you down. Yes, like, what's the point? What is? What is the freakin point? It does no good. And I know some people are like, well, when you're encouraging, you might be telling somebody something that's unrealistic, well, then let them figure out that it's unrealistic. I don't need to be saying that, like, my job on this planet is to love other people. And to help other people feel like they can do anything. That is like what I feel like my mission is, it's not my job to tell them not what they can't do. I mean, it's just, I hate that. And the cool thing too, is if you are in an open place like that with with teaching and reflecting back and not being critic like critical is, they might find their own path in another way. Like, for example, like, you know, I've had students before that maybe they're not quite going to be professional voice talent. But then they find something else that they're really passionate about, like, one of our students, and she does voiceover as well. But now she's doing meditations on insight timer, or created their own puppet show on YouTube. And so no one can tell you that. No, you can't do that. Because you can. So So yeah, the more positive you can be the more like someone can try to think of their own. Yeah. And there's no, I think it's also so important to know, there isn't a wrong path. Like whatever path were walking down, and I want every single listener who's listening to hear this and really internalize it. Whatever way you're walking. That's not the wrong path. Because no matter what roadblocks you experience, or triumphs or tragedies, they're all leading you home. You know, it. I think we put so much pressure on ourselves to make the right decisions all the time. If we can remove that pressure and just go, I'm going to walk forward. And I'm going to do the best that I can and know that that is exactly what we're supposed to be doing. Like that's the right path. Yes. Okay, absolutely. Couple rapid fire questions. And I have kept you far too long. I'm so sorry. I've just enjoyed this so much fun. Well, my Oh, I just adore you. But I want to do a couple rapid fire questions. Let's go. Okay, what do you take comfort in? Being in nature and just putting my hand on my heart? Yeah. What instantly brings you joy? waking up in the morning with my two boys, and they're in happy moods and the way they say good morning is so cute. Like, Oh, my gosh, I love that. Cool, or what has been your greatest teacher? I would say life has been my greatest teacher. I've learned lessons along the way on my own. And but now, you know, with the internet and everything is like the spiritual thought leaders and entrepreneurs that you know, people like yourself that you can learn from. Yeah, it's a plethora of people at this point. But But back in the day through all those times. It was myself or life like this clear relate. I relate. Favorite book. I'm really thinking about that. And I would say untamed by Glennon Doyle. So good. Yes. So good. Yeah. So good. It was what I was when you can't put down No, no, you can't and you realize you really are the effing cheetah. Yeah, um, best piece of advice you've been given. An old boyfriend once told me that, like your life is now it's not in the future, because I always project right into the future like, oh, I'll be happy when I get this. And he too. I remember he just said it really like nonchalantly, like, not trying to give me real advice or anything, but I still remember it to this day. He's like, your life is now like, you know, it's it's now. So it's been like 15 years and I still think about that. That's profound. What do you want our dear listeners to take away from this This episode, well, you know, just what an honor it is to be here with you. And just to let them know how truly powerful they are and how capable they are, and, and just to enjoy life, like take the risks, make the memories, choose the adventure that the thing that's going to make the story and try to have more fun, right lights fun, enjoy life is to be lived and celebrated. So celebrate. I received that you are such a diamond. I just am so delighted that our paths crossed. Thank you. It's been so much fun getting to know you and just the like the jaw dropping similarities. Oh, yeah, me too. I know. I know. I almost felt silly like typing back to you like, Oh, yes, you do because I was like, everything is the same, but oh my gosh. Okay. So I look forward to continuing this conversation. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. My pleasure. Thank you so much. Bye, guys.